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    发表于 2017-2-6 09:35:24 | 只看该作者
    晨枫 发表于 2017-2-6 06:12
    相信Bannon和Miller肯定也是先咨询过白宫法律顾问的,法律上不会一点也站不住脚。但这样的做法对美国道义 ...


    呵呵他俩还不一定咨询过法律专家的意见.

    民科一般都认为比"体制内"科学家更懂科学.  所以他俩说不定认为比体制内的法律顾问更懂法律.

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    发表于 2017-2-6 10:00:02 | 只看该作者
    holycow 发表于 2017-2-6 02:05
    晨大,外国人进美国移民关之前真没什么权的,只有一个due process, 这就是为什么华盛顿州AG要拿这条来告。 ...

    你说的那些,都要有probable cause的吧,哪怕是某个警长的疑心也算。

    这个EO的问题,就是“一刀切”,而且立刻执行没有缓冲。

    对个人造成损失,但是没有due process来保护补偿,明显是有问题的。

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-6 10:24:50 | 只看该作者
    沉宝 发表于 2017-2-5 19:03
    最高法院会不会拒审?

    不过,就算最高法院接了这个案子,也会是好几年的时间。对川普来说,最紧张的就是 ...

    这个就不知道了。只能说,一切皆有可能。
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    [LV.10]大乘

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    发表于 2017-2-6 12:43:19 | 只看该作者
    挺有意思的一篇文章

    Trump and Staff Rethink Tactics After Stumbles

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/ ... l?referer=&_r=1

    WASHINGTON — President Trump loves to set the day’s narrative at dawn, but the deeper story of his White House is best told at night.

    Aides confer in the dark because they cannot figure out how to operate the light switches in the cabinet room. Visitors conclude their meetings and then wander around, testing doorknobs until finding one that leads to an exit. In a darkened, mostly empty West Wing, Mr. Trump’s provocative chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, finishes another 16-hour day planning new lines of attack.

    Usually around 6:30 p.m., or sometimes later, Mr. Trump retires upstairs to the residence to recharge, vent and intermittently use Twitter. With his wife, Melania, and young son, Barron, staying in New York, he is almost always by himself, sometimes in the protective presence of his imposing longtime aide and former security chief, Keith Schiller. When Mr. Trump is not watching television in his bathrobe or on his phone reaching out to old campaign hands and advisers, he will sometimes set off to explore the unfamiliar surroundings of his new home.

    During his first two dizzying weeks in office, Mr. Trump, an outsider president working with a surprisingly small crew of no more than a half-dozen empowered aides with virtually no familiarity with the workings of the White House or federal government, sent shock waves at home and overseas with a succession of executive orders designed to fulfill campaign promises and taunt foreign leaders.

    “We are moving big and we are moving fast,” Mr. Bannon said, when asked about the upheaval of the first two weeks. “We didn’t come here to do small things.”

    But one thing has become apparent to both his allies and his opponents: When it comes to governing, speed does not always guarantee success.

    The bungled rollout of his executive order barring immigrants from seven predominantly Muslim countries, a flurry of other miscues and embarrassments, and an approval rating lower than that of any comparable first-term president in the history of polling have Mr. Trump and his top staff rethinking an improvisational approach to governing that mirrors his chaotic presidential campaign, administration officials and Trump insiders said.

    This account of the early days of the Trump White House is based on interviews with dozens of government officials, congressional aides, former staff members and other observers of the new administration, many of whom requested anonymity. At the center of the story, according to these sources, is a president determined to go big but increasingly frustrated by the efforts of his small team to contain the backlash.

    “What are we going to do about this?” Mr. Trump pointedly asked an aide last week, a period of turmoil briefly interrupted by the successful rollout of his Supreme Court selection, Judge Neil M. Gorsuch.

    Chris Ruddy, the chief executive of Newsmax Media and an old friend of the president’s, said: “I think, in his mind, the success of this is going to be the poll numbers. If they continue to be weak or go lower, then somebody’s going to have to bear some responsibility for that.”

    “I personally think that they’re missing the big picture here,” Mr. Ruddy said of Mr. Trump’s staff. “Now he’s so caught up, the administration is so caught up in turmoil, perceived chaos, that the Democrats smell blood, the protesters, the media smell blood.”

    One former staff member likened the aggressive approach of the first two weeks to D-Day, but said the president’s team had stormed the beaches without any plan for a longer war.

    Clashes among staff are common in the opening days of every administration, but they have seldom been so public and so pronounced this early. “This is a president who came to Washington vowing to shake up the establishment, and this is what it looks like. It’s going to be a little sloppy, there are going to be conflicts,” said Ari Fleischer, President George W. Bush’s first press secretary.

    All this is happening as Mr. Trump, a man of flexible ideology but fixed habits, adjusts to a new job, life and city.

    Cloistered in the White House, he now has little access to his fans and supporters — an important source of feedback and validation — and feels increasingly pinched by the pressures of the job and the constant presence of protests, one of the reasons he was forced to scrap a planned trip to Milwaukee last week. For a sense of what is happening outside, he watches cable, both at night and during the day — too much in the eyes of some aides — often offering a bitter play-by-play of critics like CNN’s Don Lemon.

    Until the past few days, Mr. Trump was telling his friends and advisers that he believed the opening stages of his presidency were going well. “Did you hear that, this guy thinks it’s been terrible!” Mr. Trump said mockingly to other aides when one dissenting view was voiced last week during a West Wing meeting.

    But his opinion has begun to change with a relentless parade of bad headlines.

    Mr. Trump got away from the White House this weekend for the first time since his inauguration, spending it in Palm Beach, Fla., at his private club, Mar-a-Lago, posting Twitter messages angrily — and in personal terms — about the federal judge who put a nationwide halt on the travel ban. Mr. Bannon and Reince Priebus, the two clashing power centers, traveled with him.

    By then, the president, for whom chains of command and policy minutiae rarely meant much, was demanding that Mr. Priebus begin to put in effect a much more conventional White House protocol that had been taken for granted in previous administrations: From now on, Mr. Trump would be looped in on the drafting of executive orders much earlier in the process.

    Another change will be a new set of checks on the previously unfettered power enjoyed by Mr. Bannon and the White House policy director, Stephen Miller, who oversees the implementation of the orders and who received the brunt of the internal and public criticism for the rollout of the travel ban.

    Mr. Priebus has told Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon that the administration needs to rethink its policy and communications operation in the wake of embarrassing revelations that key details of the orders were withheld from agencies, White House staff and Republican congressional leaders like Speaker Paul D. Ryan.

    Also, Mr. Priebus has created a 10-point checklist for the release of any new initiatives that includes signoff from the communications department and the White House staff secretary, Robert Porter, according to several aides familiar with the process.

    Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.

    It is partly because he is seen as having a clear vision on policy. But it is also because others who had been expected to fill major roles have been less confident in asserting their power.

    Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, occupies a central role in the administration and has been present at most major decisions and photo ops, but he is a father of young children who has taken to life in Washington, and, along with his wife, Ivanka Trump, has already been spotted at events around town.

    Mr. Bannon has rushed into the vacuum, telling allies that he and Mr. Miller have a brief window in which to push through their vision of Mr. Trump’s economic nationalism.

    Mr. Bannon, whose website, Breitbart, was a magnet for white nationalists and xenophobic speech, has also tried to reassure official Washington. He has been careful to build bridges with the Republican establishment, especially Mr. Ryan — whom he once described as “the enemy” and vowed to force out. He now talks regularly with Mr. Ryan to coordinate strategy or plot their planned overhaul of the tax code.

    Before he was ousted in November as transition chief, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, the Trump adviser with the most government experience, helped prepare a detailed staffing and implementation plan in line with the kickoff strategies of previous Republican presidents.

    Mr. Bannon, the chief strategist, and Mr. Priebus, the chief of staff, are the two clashing power centers of Mr. Trump’s White House. Credit Al Drago/The New York Times
    It was discarded — a senior Trump aide made a show of tossing it into a garbage can — for a strategy that prioritized the daily release of dramatic executive orders to put opponents on the defensive.

    Mr. Christie, who agrees in principle with the broad strokes of Mr. Trump’s immigration policy, says the president has been let down by his staff.

    “The president deserves better than the rollout he got on the immigration executive order,” Mr. Christie said. “The fact is that he’s put forward a policy that, in my opinion, is significantly more effective than what he had proposed during the campaign, yet because of the botched implementation, they allowed his opponents to attack him by calling it a Muslim ban.”

    In the past few days, Mr. Trump’s team has stressed its cohesion and the challenges of jump-starting an administration that few outside its group ever thought would exist.

    “This team spent months in the foxhole together during the campaign,” said Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary. “We moved into the White House as a unified team committed to enacting the president’s agenda.”

    As part of Mr. Trump’s Oval Office renovation, he ordered that four hardback chairs be placed in a semicircle around his Resolute Desk now heaped, in Trump Tower fashion, with memos and newspapers. They are an emblem of Mr. Trump’s in-your-face management style, but also a reminder that in the White House, the seats always outlast the people seated in them.

    But finding enough skilled players to fill key slots has not been easy: Mr. Spicer is serving double duty as communications director, a key planning position, in addition to engaging in day-to-day combat with the news media. Mr. Trump, several aides said, is used to quarterbacking his own media strategy, and did not see the value of hiring an outsider.

    An early plan was to give the communications job to Kellyanne Conway, his former campaign manager and top TV surrogate, but the demands of the job would have conflicted with Ms. Conway’s other duties as a free-range adviser to Mr. Trump with Oval Office walk-in privileges, according to one aide.

    Mr. Trump remains intensely focused on his brand, but the demands of the job mean he spends less time monitoring the news media — although he recently upgraded the flat-screen TV in his private dining room so he can watch the news while eating lunch.

    He often has to wait until the end of the workday before grinding through news clips with Mr. Spicer, marking the ones he does not like with a big arrow in black Sharpie — though he almost always makes time to monitor Mr. Spicer’s performance at the daily briefings, summoning him to offer praise or criticism, a West Wing aide said.

    Visitors to the Oval Office say Mr. Trump is obsessed with the décor — it is both a totem of a victory that validates him as a serious person and an image-burnishing backdrop — so he has told his staff to schedule as many televised events in the room as possible.

    To pass the time between meetings, Mr. Trump gives quick tours to visitors, highlighting little tweaks he has made after initially expecting he would have to pay for them himself.

    Flanking his desk are portraits of Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. He will linger on the opulence of the newly hung golden drapes, which he told a recent visitor were once used by Franklin D. Roosevelt but in fact were patterned for Bill Clinton. For a man who sometimes has trouble concentrating on policy memos, Mr. Trump was delighted to page through a book that offered him 17 window covering options.

    Ultimately, this is very much the White House that Mr. Trump wanted to build. But while the world reckons with the effect he is having on the presidency, he is adjusting to the effect of the presidency on him. He is now a public employee. And the only boss Mr. Trump ever had in his life was his father, a hard-driving developer the president still treats with deep reverence.

    With most of his belongings in New York, the only family picture on the shelf behind Mr. Trump’s desk is a small black-and-white photograph of that boss, Frederick Christ Trump.

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-6 13:29:20 | 只看该作者
    Dracula 发表于 2017-2-5 22:43
    挺有意思的一篇文章

    Trump and Staff Rethink Tactics After Stumbles

    有意思。不过NYT属于深蓝,不能照单全收。看来我的猜想没错:Bannon的政治民科使得老板赔本,他在付出代价。特朗普自己其实没有团队,后来拉起来的队伍不乏各怀鬼胎之辈。他只相信小圈子,但要统治那么大一个国家,还要充当世界领袖,这个小圈子实在是不够用。

    NYT把特朗普描绘成只知道选窗帘和show off,哈哈哈。有一点很同意:他离开campaign trail后,脱离了群众,失去了脉搏,只能依靠电视和民调,难怪要继续痛骂dishonest media了。

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    发表于 2017-2-6 22:19:13 | 只看该作者
    晨枫 发表于 2017-2-5 16:09
    也就是说,那些已经拿到PR的人,不应该列入禁入范围?后来确实是这样实行的,但开始的时候意图是连这些人 ...

    把PR列入禁入范围肯定是大大地增加了问题。其一,PR离境六个月之内返境,按现有法律在一般情况下不构成seeking admission,那么是否可以因为与个人无关的原因而被禁止入境,我觉得是要打一个非常大的问号的。其另一,Landon v. Plasencia已经提出,PR离境又返境的时候,应该得到比较强一些的due process的对待。

    政府可能会提出对PR的禁令相关部分已经moot,但法院未必会接受。

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    发表于 2017-2-7 02:13:54 | 只看该作者
    本帖最后由 Dracula 于 2017-2-7 02:16 编辑
    晨枫 发表于 2017-2-6 13:29
    有意思。不过NYT属于深蓝,不能照单全收。看来我的猜想没错:Bannon的政治民科使得老板赔本,他在付出代 ...


    看了这篇纽约时报的报道,我对Trump也有点同情,妻子孩子都在纽约,就一个人在白宫。他对阅读研究政策文件这些事本来就没有什么兴趣,现在却每天必须花很多时间来干,70岁的人了,累了一天,晚上研究有线电视新闻,却发现净是负面报道。我也有点能理解他为什么对主流媒体那么敌视。而且不知道他的身体怎么样,我觉得有可能他熬不过4年。

    这篇文章提到的有意思的一点是,Steve Bannon破例被任命进National Security Council,原来并不是出自Trump自己的部署。是Bannon揽权,Trump也不懂糊里糊涂的就签了那条命令。很可能是事后看有线电视新闻的时候才意识到究竟是怎么一回事。
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    发表于 2017-2-7 02:30:46 | 只看该作者
    Dracula 发表于 2017-2-6 10:13
    看了这篇纽约时报的报道,我对Trump也有点同情,妻子孩子都在纽约,就一个人在白宫。他对阅读研究政策文 ...

    我昨天晚上读了这篇文章以后,第一个念头是Trump身边的人有没有动机对NYT放话,damage control?

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-7 03:26:10 | 只看该作者
    Dracula 发表于 2017-2-6 12:13
    看了这篇纽约时报的报道,我对Trump也有点同情,妻子孩子都在纽约,就一个人在白宫。他对阅读研究政策文 ...

    Bannon这么干,不仅在朝野树敌,还会在老板这里失宠吗?说到底,老板最恨的就是遭到摆布和利用,自己在懵然中买单。

    特朗普现在只有依靠情报机构和媒体了解世界,他又不相信这两家,他会重新走mass rally的路吗?作为总统,这是很异乎寻常的,但要是他把这作为drain the swamp、把媒体和情报机构都作为swamp的做法呢?

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-7 03:26:46 | 只看该作者
    holycow 发表于 2017-2-6 12:30
    我昨天晚上读了这篇文章以后,第一个念头是Trump身边的人有没有动机对NYT放话,damage control? ...

    怎么放话呢?

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    发表于 2017-2-7 03:32:08 | 只看该作者
    这个移民禁令,我怎么觉得,不论法律上如何,其实在民间是有广泛群众基础的,是得到广大民众支持的呢?

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    有广泛群众基础,正是答案。  发表于 2017-2-7 06:16

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    关于国王被奸臣蒙骗的那段,你不认为只应该是Kushner或者Priebus这种人才知道的吗?

    这种皇上是好的,坏事的都是大臣的桥段是不是太熟悉了一点?

    当然我只是指这段,NYT这篇文章的其他内容自然有其他来源。
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    发表于 2017-2-7 03:57:15 | 只看该作者
    糊里糊涂 发表于 2017-2-7 03:32
    这个移民禁令,我怎么觉得,不论法律上如何,其实在民间是有广泛群众基础的,是得到广大民众支持的呢? ...

    这其实就是右的基础,米弟中下白人阶层是反移民的,如果把这把右的火烧起来,没人有好处。很多支持老床的华人是更反感拉力,现在老床上来,就应该以防极右为主才对啊,不能糊涂,有的人还犯糊涂呢。

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-7 05:01:03 | 只看该作者
    糊里糊涂 发表于 2017-2-6 13:32
    这个移民禁令,我怎么觉得,不论法律上如何,其实在民间是有广泛群众基础的,是得到广大民众支持的呢? ...

    反对的示威者好多,支持的示威者在哪里?

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    哈哈哈,我也以为过沉默的大多数的,结果大选下来,是沉默的略微不到一半  发表于 2017-2-7 06:58
    沉默的大多数啊,他们根本不屑喊喊叫叫,只等“美国优先”一步步落实。这些人加州的左派哪里看得到?  发表于 2017-2-7 06:21

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-7 05:02:01 | 只看该作者
    holycow 发表于 2017-2-6 13:36
    关于国王被奸臣蒙骗的那段,你不认为只应该是Kushner或者Priebus这种人才知道的吗?

    这种皇上是好的,坏 ...

    这是千古不变的剧本啊,要是皇上也奸了,那不是这届人民不行了吗?

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    发表于 2017-2-7 05:12:10 | 只看该作者
    晨枫 发表于 2017-2-7 05:01
    反对的示威者好多,支持的示威者在哪里?

    支持还需要示威吗?就算有支持的游行你能看到吗?

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    正解。  发表于 2017-2-7 06:22

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-7 05:14:10 | 只看该作者
    糊里糊涂 发表于 2017-2-6 15:12
    支持还需要示威吗?就算有支持的游行你能看到吗?

    反对的示威声势大了,支持者就要出动,表示自己也是有声势的,这是常规。只要有大规模、普遍的支持者示威,新闻上就能看到,除非你也认为biased dishonest media。

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    发表于 2017-2-7 05:33:16 | 只看该作者
    晨枫 发表于 2017-2-7 05:14
    反对的示威声势大了,支持者就要出动,表示自己也是有声势的,这是常规。只要有大规模、普遍的支持者示威 ...

    08年中国办奥运,西方玩的花样您没见过?

    当年我在亚特兰大西嗯嗯大楼前,亲眼看见中国人抗议西嗯嗯造假,支持中国办奥运的游行,你们有在西嗯嗯新闻上看到吗?其他什么诶逼西,西逼爱死......有播报吗?只能看到各种诬蔑中国的吧。

    现在不是我,而是很多支持川普的人,已经在内心把媒体都打上骗子的标签了,媒体任何不利于川普的新闻,他们都觉得是造谣,根本就不信。

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     楼主| 发表于 2017-2-7 06:57:15 | 只看该作者
    糊里糊涂 发表于 2017-2-6 15:33
    08年中国办奥运,西方玩的花样您没见过?

    当年我在亚特兰大西嗯嗯大楼前,亲眼看见中国人抗议西嗯嗯造假 ...

    美国人对国际事务和国内事务是完全不同的态度,这不是秘密啊。在美国公众舆论里,中国就是邪恶,不存在支持者的问题,你到CNN大楼前示威才几个人?和现在全美、全世界范围的反特朗普禁令的示威规模能相比吗?

    在大选期间,就有大规模的支持和反对特朗普的示威。现在要是有大规模的支持特朗普的示威,即使媒体压下去不报,还有网络呢。在哪里呢?

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    我的工程师同事中,支持和反对特朗普的一半对一半  发表于 2017-2-7 13:43
    嘿嘿,大多是白人中产吧。我们这个城市是工程师城,都是川普的坚定支持者。这里受教育水平和工资水平都不低,说他们是红脖子恐怕不公平。  发表于 2017-2-7 13:06
    不是说特朗普支持者很多都是失业蓝领吗?  发表于 2017-2-7 12:52
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    游行的都是不上班吃福利的蛀虫。看看照片上那些打着墨西哥国旗的,穆斯林面孔的,不干活还有游行补助的,因老川要清除蛀虫,这些人急眼了。  发表于 2017-2-7 09:58
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