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July 28, 2022
Provoking BeijingYves Smith is aghast about the U.S. eyepoking of China:
The neocons above all seem unable to process that the days of US hegemony are over. It boggles the mind that they are not just eyepoking but escalating greatly with China via the still-planned Pelosi visit to Taiwan in August. As we’ll explain, China is fully cognizant of the fact that Pelosi is number two in line after Harris should something happen to the increasingly addle-brained Biden. And they don’t buy for a second that Pelosi is operating without the explicit approval of the Administration.Note that it’s entirely possible that Pelosi revived her Taiwan trip plan (recall she put it off after coming down with Covid) all on her own. The Pentagon gave her a face-saving out by saying they didn’t recommend it.
China, which is routinely screechy when it is upset about what it perceives to be foreign transgressions, has managed to find new registers in its objections the proposed Pelosi visit.
Pelosi is not only number two in line but has been hostile to the Chinese government for more than 30 years. In 1991 she and two other members of Congress made a stunt on the Tiananmen square where two years before protests had taken place.
The multiday protest in the square had ended peacefully. But outside of the square bloody riots took place over several days and nights during which hundreds of soldiers and rioters got killed.
The protest and riots had been a U.S. instigated color revolution attempt with the father of the color revolution concept, Gene Sharp, being personally in the Beijing and consulting the protest leaders. After the attempt had failed the CIA organized the exit of hundreds of protest leaders and agents to Hong Kong where they formed the base for the 2020 color revolution attempt there. Lots of those 'activists' have now moved to Taiwan.
In 1991 Pelosi and two congressmen unfolded a banner on Tianamen in front of the international media that said: "To those who died for democracy in China." Police immediately intervened and ended the stunt.
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biggerThe stunt had a positive echoin U.S. media (Note: The video title says it is 1989 but the announcer says it is two years later).
Pelosi may think she can recreate another positive media echo by traveling to Taiwan.
But the China of 2022 is no longer the China of 1991. It is now the world's biggest economy and its military force rivals the one the U.S. has. It no longer condones eyepoking and 'human rights' stunts. It knows a U.S. provocation when it sees one.
In the 1950s and 60s the U.S. financed terrorism in Tibet. In 1989 it coached and financed a bloody color revolution attempt in Beijing. In the 1990s it brought Islamist terrorism to Xinjiang. In this century the U.S. instigated several periods of riots in Hong Kong.
But note a pattern. Tibet is now a peaceful province of China, Beijing does well and the Chinese people are happy with their government. Xinjiang is now the most visited tourist region of the world and Hong Kong is under full Chinese control.
The U.S. is trying to push Taiwan to declare independence and to sucker China into some military reaction. It should take note of the fact that its other attempts to poke China have not ended well for its side.
Yves says that China is ready to response should the planned Pelosi stunt take place:
If the Chinese level of ire is any guide, having Chinese fighter jets deny Pelosi a landing in Taiwan is on the mild end of possible responses. If that were to happen and the plane was escorted to land in mainland China, I could see the Chinese rubbing salt in the wound by not letting anyone in the aircraft deplane.China is considering how to use a Pelosi visit to set far more important precedents. Hu in the Global Times clip above mentioned declaring a no-fly zone or having PLA jets fly with Pelosi’s plane into Taiwan airspace. As the Global Times noted: “That would set a great precedent for the PLA to patrol above the island, which would be far more meaningful than Pelosi’s visit.”
As with provoking Russia, the US may be about to get what it sought with Taiwan and find out that the results are not to its advantage. And as an American, it’s depressing to see so much incompetence and arrogance on display.
There is more incompetence and arrogance to come. Pelosi has now asked other lawmakers to join her on the trip:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has invited other members of Congress to join her in a visit to Taiwan next month, signaling that she still plans to make the trip despite the fact that the US military thinks it risks provoking China.Rep. Michael McFaul (R-TX), the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Wednesday that Pelosi invited him and Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), who chairs the committee.
McFaul said he couldn’t go to Taiwan due to a prior engagement but expressed support for the trip. “Any member that wants to go, should. It shows political deterrence to President Xi,” he said. “But she should also pay attention to the military if it’s going to cause a blowback and escalate things.”
The Pentagon had warned that the trip could mean serious trouble but it is now increasing that trouble potential by moving more forces into the area:
Officials told The Associated Press that if Pelosi goes to Taiwan — still an uncertainty — the military would increase its movement of forces and assets in the Indo-Pacific region. They declined to provide details, but said that fighter jets, ships, surveillance assets and other military systems would likely be used to provide overlapping rings of protection for her flight to Taiwan and any time on the ground there. That is indeed the dumbest thing the Pentagon could do. More forces in the region means more potential for a screw up where one thing goes wrong and everything escalates into a bloody war:
The biggest risk during Pelosi’s trip is of some Chinese show of force “gone awry, or some type of accident that comes out of a demonstration of provocative action,” said Mark Cozad, acting associate director of the International Security and Defense Policy Center at the Rand Corp. “So it could be an air collision. It could be some sort of missile test, and, again, when you’re doing those types of things, you know, there is always the possibility that something could go wrong.”
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“It is very possible that ... our attempts to deter actually send a much different signal than the one we intend to send,” Cozad said. “And so you get into ... some sort of an escalatory spiral, where our attempts to deter are actually seen as increasingly provocative and vice versa. And that can be a very dangerous dynamic.” Yesterday China's foreign ministry spokesperson made it clear that China will not back down:
AFP: A US official said that if Pelosi goes to Taiwan, the military would increase its movement of forces in the Asia-Pacific, including fighter jets. What is your comment?Zhao Lijian: Perhaps you missed our briefings in the past few days. We have repeatedly made clear our our firm opposition to Speaker Pelosi’s potential visit to Taiwan. If the US side insists on making the visit and challenges China’s red line, it will be met with resolute countermeasures. The US must bear all consequences arising thereof.
President Joe Biden has refrained from stopping Pelosi's trip plans. Today he is supposed to call president Xi. The Chinese have not confirmed a call so it may not happen. Will Biden ask that Pelosi be allowed to visit Taiwan? If he does he surely will get a quite harsh response.
Taiwan is part of China. This is by the way also the official position of the government in Taipei. But seen from Beijing that government is only that of a Chinese province and not one that is allowed to have an independent foreign policy. Any attempt to change that will see strong resistance from Beijing, if necessary by force.
The U.S. government is currently watching as its proxy force in the Ukraine gets systematically dismantled by Russia which is destined to win that war. There is nothing that the U.S. can do about that. Any conflict around Taiwan would have a similar outcome.
Washington may think that would be a great opportunity to isolate China.
But isolate from whom? It would be the U.S. and its allies which would be most hurt by it while the much larger rest of the world would simply continue to work with China just as it does now with Russia.
But with incompetence and arrogance ruling in Washington (and Brussels) one can no exclude that that is exactly their plan.
Posted by b on July 28, 2022 at 15:50 UTC | Permalink
next page »I've been wondering which stupid move by the US would officially start WW3, since it has already unofficially started.
This could be the one.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 28 2022 15:56 utc | 1
usa meddling again in others affairs... who whudda thunk it?? the usa excels at craziness in its servitude to empire building.. the only problem with this is they need to learn empire being taken apart, because that is what is happening now... they don't seem bright enough to realize this on a number of levels... thanks b..
one more stupid pr stunt...what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: james | Jul 28 2022 16:04 utc | 2
Hey they need a worl war 3
They thin6 Jesus will come and save them.
Posted by: Andrew | Jul 28 2022 16:05 utc | 3
This is all so baffling. Start a war with the China--that place we systematically shipped our entire manufacturing base to in the 1990s? This makes no sense, at all. What's the real goal here?
Couldn't China collapse the US without firing a shot, by dumping its US currency and Treasury reserves?
It's so depressing. This and the ISS story you posted yesterday show they're determine to undo any tiny bit of peace that flowered in the 1990s. Carl Sagan would be aghast.
Posted by: D | Jul 28 2022 16:05 utc | 4
b says "Taiwan is part of China."
Taiwan (ROC) has its own passports and currency. I passes its own laws without consultation with China (PROC). Ergo, Taiwan is an independent country.
The "One China" policy adopted by many countries and part of the UN recognition of China, says that reunification only happens when the Taiwanese population agrees.
Can we please advocate for a referendum before one site or the other decides to violently establish facts on the ground?
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 5
Scary 'hairy'* Nancy ought to be sanctioned by China, Russia, India et al. ASAP.
It is most likely she and her wealthy investor husband, while largely US-focused, would still have quite significant overseas exposure to their investments.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-stock-trades-congress-investments-2022-7?r=US&IR=T#micron-technology-inc-mu-7
*pelosa/o/e/i in its varying m/f/plural declinations means 'hairy' in Italian :))
Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 6
China may just allow her plane to come and go, but immediately after leaving they will take action. This likely would include closing the strait, starting a no fly zone, and even bombing out the Taiwanese air force and antiaircraft defenses. If america continues provocations- and they probably will- a naval blockade could follow.
Posted by: James | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 7
I assume provocation of Russia was just an excuse to apply sanctions, in a vain attempt to reduce their advance in e.g. hypersonic weapons. Provocation of China is presumably an attempt to provide an excuse for similar sanctions against China, with infinitely greater effect on the world’s economy, particularly in Europe. Is China capable of functioning autonomously as Russia is, e.g. with respect to energy? Is it dependent on Iran for oil? In which case, does that mean that provocation of Iran will also be necessary?
I’m trying to make sense of the US, incapable of a victory in Afghanistan, trying to take on two or three powerful states at once.
I heard the Ukrainians are driving into , wonder what the next Military Summary video will be like.
Posted by: doberts | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 9
https://thesaker.is/politwera-larry-johnson-and-andrei-martyanov-wide-ranging-discussion/ <=very informative ..
what bothers me in this trip to China situation is that the governed everyday people of America have not been fully informed or consulted.. and its seems to me authority to conduct USA diplomacy abroad belongs to the Article II government, Art II. Sec 2, paragraph 2.. and the principle of separation of powers is being ignored.. ? Peloski's trip sets the president to allow any elected member of congress to challenge or invade the space of any foreign nation.. meaning where in the constitution does the authority for a member of congress to engage in a diplomatic mission come from?
Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 10
Lunatics in charge of the asylum.
Posted by: Thaisleeze | Jul 28 2022 16:11 utc | 11
The idea that China would intercept Pelosi's flight and force it to land in the mainland is totally absurd and disconnected from reality
Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 28 2022 16:13 utc | 12
Well, I am fully in accord with ms Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, and I encourage her to make it. Just make it a one-way trip, please, and don't bother the rest of us here any more, OK? Same applies to all in Congress who are fool enough to accept her trip invitation, too.
It would be seriously brave for the PLA to give her an escort to Taipei. I'd like to see them do it. Land on the runway, too, and get refueled and fly back to the mainland. Hope they do it.
Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jul 28 2022 16:14 utc | 13
@ geoff chambers | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 8
don't try to make sense of it.... the usa is run by crazies... that's all you need to know... just expect more stupidity and craziness to follow..
see @ Thaisleeze | Jul 28 2022 16:11 utc | 11 - ditto that..
Posted by: james | Jul 28 2022 16:16 utc | 14
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/25/689564/
The news indicates that China has reduced investment in Russia to zero under the One Belt One Road project. Let's talk about this.
Posted by: Haafril | Jul 28 2022 16:16 utc | 15
I believe the intention is to worsen relations between China and US to further facilitate virtual blockade conditions and hasten the take-down of the US economy and nation to provide the desired pretext for their bally-hoo'd Build Back Better BS.
If anyone tries to separate the island of Taiwan from the country, if anyone wants to challenge China's bottom line, Chinese military will take forceful measures to firmly safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity, Qin Gang, the Chinese Ambassador to the US told at a recent event.
The tensions over the question have been escalating in recent days as China has issued six warnings in the past few days on the US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's unconfirmed plan of a trip to the island. The Chinese Defense Ministry on Tuesday vowed that if the US insists on interfering, the Chinese military will by no means sit by idly and strong measures will be taken to thwart any external interference and "Taiwan independence" separatist attempts.
Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:22 utc | 17
The idea that China would intercept Pelosi's flight and force it to land in the mainland is totally absurd and disconnected from reality
Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 28 2022 16:13 utc | 12
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What are you going to do? Jump out of the plane?
Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:24 utc | 18
I see everyone including even B continues to misspell Nancy Lugosi's name.
Posted by: Monsieur Magoo | Jul 28 2022 16:25 utc | 19
honestly if China simply spammed missiles at any and every USN ship that came within range (A2AD hyuk hyuk) there would be little reason to invade taiwan aside from removing any long range artillery etc. If China stuck strictly to blasting military targets they probably wouldn't need a land war, but I'm just speculating so whatever.
Posted by: crumbus | Jul 28 2022 16:25 utc | 20
Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jul 28 2022 16:14 utc | 13
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The old fool Pelosi would suddenly get Monkey Pox, even though she is not officially LGBTQ... |
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