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“而且美加之间的法律引渡协定也只简单适用于两类人，一类乃是已经被定案在美国境内曾经有过被定性的犯罪行为的美国各司法机构通缉的在逃犯。一类是曾经在美国有过被确认定性的参与实施过恐怖袭击行为，或者被美国司法和国安机构认定可能会对美国本土或者海外美国目标发动恐袭的恐怖嫌疑份子。所以从协定本身的条例来判断，孟女士显然不属于上述任何一个范畴(也就是说引渡条约根本就不适用在她身上)。”
加拿大外交部长方慧兰（Chrystia Freeland）也设法消除若引渡孟晚舟将对在中国的加拿大人构成风险的担忧，她一再强调："这案子与政治无关。"
方慧兰今天呼应杜鲁道日前的说法表示，决定应美方要求发布临时逮捕令，是由"官员阶层"处理，加拿大一切遵循正当程序。
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:03
你这个需要小土豆先批准的说法有出处么？我看到的是说这个是司法系统的事，行政部门无权干涉啊？
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Canada had no choice but to arrest Huawei executive at Washington's request: expert
Meng Wanzhou's arrest has 'massive international political dimensions to it,' says law prof
David Cochrane · CBC News · Posted: Dec 07, 2018 3:01 PM ET | Last Updated: December 7
Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer for Chinese telecom giant Huawei, is accused of skirting U.S. sanctions and accessing the Iran market. (Huawei via The Associated Press)
The arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou may inflame diplomatic and trade tensions with China, but Canada's extradition treaty with the United States left it with no choice but to detain her, says a legal expert.
"If the application from the requesting state is in order, then Canada is legally obliged to arrest her," said Rob Currie, a Dalhousie law professor who focuses extensively on extradition law.
"Most extraditions are not terribly contentious. It so happens that this one is and has massive international political dimensions to it."
Meng, the chief financial officer for the Chinese telecom giant Huawei, was arrested Dec.1 in Vancouver for extradition to the United States to face fraud charges. U.S. authorities allege she used a Huawei subsidiary to do business in Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions and lied to bankers about the corporation's ties with the subsidiary.
Under the terms of the extradition treaty, the U.S. could request Meng's arrest in Canada if she was wanted in connection with conduct considered criminal in both Canada and the United States, and if the offence carries a jail sentence of a year or more. Once that threshold is met, the treaty compels Canada to act.
"The appropriate authorities took the decisions in this case without any political involvement or interference ... we were advised by them with a few days' notice that this was in the works," Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told reporters in Montreal Thursday.
What happens next?
Meng appeared at a bail hearing in Vancouver today. That hearing was separate from the actual extradition process, which could take months.
The U.S. has to make a formal extradition request within 60 days of Meng's arrest and send the supporting documents to the International Assistance Group, the specialized branch within the Department of Justice that handles extradition.
Within 30 days of receiving those documents, the IAG would advise Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould on whether a formal extradition hearing would be justified.
Under the treaty with the U.S., Canada cannot arbitrarily refuse to issue an authority to proceed. But once the formal extradition is made, Wilson-Raybould can exercise ministerial discretion.
Canada's extradition laws give Ottawa the power to reject requests that it considers oppressive or politically motivated, a back door known as the "political offence exception." For example, extradition requests that seek to prosecute people for their race, religion, sexuality or political opinions would be out of order.
Canada typically refuses to extradite people to jurisdictions where they would face the death penalty unless it receives assurances that the person being extradited would not be killed.
If Meng's case goes to an extradition hearing it would be before a Superior Court judge, with lawyers from Canada's International Assistance Group acting on behalf of the United States.
An extradition hearing is not a trial. Meng would not be allowed to call witnesses or present evidence in her defence. Judges in extradition hearings don't decide on innocence or guilt; they simply determine if the evidence provided by a foreign government is sufficient to justify going to trial and, consequently, the extradition itself.
If the judge in Meng's extradition hearing decides the U.S. request isn't justified, she'll be discharged and released from custody.
If extradition is ordered, Meng's case goes to Wilson-Raybould's office for review. The minister ultimately would decide whether the extradition could go forward after hearing submissions from Meng's lawyers. Any trial in Meng's case would take place in the U.S., under American law.
Currie said the political offence exception could be raised at the point where Meng's file crosses Wilson-Raybould's desk.
"The idea of refusing an American extradition request on political grounds is really, really unheard of and controversial," he said. "And yet I would say it is definitely something that would be argued by Ms. Meng's lawyers in this case."
Meng also has the right to appeal the extradition judge's decision and apply for a judicial review of the minister's decision all the way up to the Supreme Court of Canada.
Speaking to journalists Friday, Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said she has sent a message of reassurance to Beijing through John McCallum, Canada's ambassador to China.
"And he has assured China that due process is absolutely being [followed] in Canada and consular access for China to Ms. Meng will be provided," she said, "and that we are a rule-of-law country and we will be following our laws as we have thus far in this matter, and as we will continue to do."
Critics say Canada too quick to extradite
Critics of Canada's extradition law say it sets the bar too low and can lead to significant miscarriages of justice. They point to the Hassan Diab case — which saw an Ottawa academic spend more than three years in a French prison on suspicion of involvement in a terrorist attack. Because the case against him was so weak, he was never formally charged.
Diab ultimately was sent back to Canada and has been campaigning for a public inquiry into how his case was handled. French prosecutors are appealing Diab's release.
The data suggest Meng is likely to be turned over to the U.S. if Wilson-Raybould gives the authority to proceed with an extradition hearing.
Department of Justice figures show that 90 per cent of the individuals arrested for extradition in the last decade were eventually surrendered by Canada to the countries asking for extradition.
ymorries 发表于 2018-12-9 13:30
政府中间牵扯极多，司法独立只不过是借口而已。如果特鲁多不同意，你确定警察敢扣人，或者说警察敢在特鲁 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:03
你这个需要小土豆先批准的说法有出处么？我看到的是说这个是司法系统的事，行政部门无权干涉啊？
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Could have used 'creative incompetence'
Manley said that in accordance with international obligations and Canada's extradition treaty with the U.S., Canada had to act, though he questioned whether it would have been a good time for some "creative incompetence."
"This woman was not residing in Canada, she was simply transferring flights in Canada, and we might have just missed her," Manley said.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has denied that his government had any involvement in her arrest, and has said the appropriate authorities made decisions without any political involvement.
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:41
有证据出处还是只是你的猜测呢？说说我看到的司法独立吧：我们村前段时间某政府高官打电话给警方过问了下 ...
猫元帅 发表于 2018-12-9 12:47
美国的政要都公开说要围堵中国了。中兴和华为都明显是被拿来祭旗的，现在中国想忍一时，都不可能风平浪静了 ...
阳春白雪 发表于 2018-12-9 13:53
虽然加拿大一直强调司法独立，不过这事是彻头彻尾的政治事件，法官难道都是活在真空里的？ ...
阳春白雪 发表于 2018-12-9 13:53
虽然加拿大一直强调司法独立，不过这事是彻头彻尾的政治事件，法官难道都是活在真空里的？ ...
无言 发表于 2018-12-9 13:44
小土豆知情但没介入。下文中的John Manley评论比较有意思，他是克雷蒂安时期的前副总理。
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中华如龙 发表于 2018-12-9 14:05
这就是成功洗脑的典范
大家拿这次开放庭审 记者全程录像
把华为的公司机密全公开的展露 把你可能和以后的 ...
ymorries 发表于 2018-12-9 13:48
这个，两者不在一个级别上。孟事件实际上是国与国之间的争斗，而且是第一与第二的争斗。如果不小心卷入， ...
无言 发表于 2018-12-9 14:16
你这是脑补的吧？除了法庭自用的，里面不可以有视频设备及相机。
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 14:17
从制度上来说当然应该保持司法的真正独立。
从利益上来说，影响司法独立和开罪中国这两个选择里面，哪一 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:03
你这个需要小土豆先批准的说法有出处么？我看到的是说这个是司法系统的事，行政部门无权干涉啊？
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肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 14:06
加拿大就算想假装抓不到也不大可能，好像美帝把航班号护照号全提供了
五月 发表于 2018-12-9 14:32
需要政府批准是在知乎看来的，一个比较靠谱的ID说的。不知是否准确。
但是bail hearing出席的是“联邦 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 14:44
问题是小土豆就算想管估计也不敢管啊，首先司法系统听不听他的不好说，他只要敢干涉，一旦被捅到媒体估计 ...
五月 发表于 2018-12-9 14:36
这太容易了。总理桌上的文件找不到了啥的。。。。。反正川总的桌子上也经常丢文件 ...
无言 发表于 2018-12-9 14:03
这事要是彻头彻尾的政治事件反而简单了。自己如果没有辫子，别人也没处下手吧。 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 14:49
这个借口没用，这事又不需要他批准
响马 发表于 2018-12-9 15:27
按不靠谱传闻，他本来也不是老特鲁多的娃啊，哈哈哈。
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:03
你这个需要小土豆先批准的说法有出处么？我看到的是说这个是司法系统的事，行政部门无权干涉啊？
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五月 发表于 2018-12-9 14:47
我说了半天意思就是启动引渡程序的第一推动力是加拿大政府，司法部不是司法系统，属于行政部门，指导行政 ...
猫元帅 发表于 2018-12-9 14:51
怎么可能有没有辫子的公司？中兴华为这些公司本来就是政府的白手套。
F-16哪家公司的？ ...
响马 发表于 2018-12-9 15:44
不是说是古巴老卡斯特罗的娃吗？哈哈哈。不过是谣言啦。
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:03
你这个需要小土豆先批准的说法有出处么？我看到的是说这个是司法系统的事，行政部门无权干涉啊？
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肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 14:17
从制度上来说当然应该保持司法的真正独立。
从利益上来说，影响司法独立和开罪中国这两个选择里面，哪一 ...
穿着裤衩裸奔 发表于 2018-12-9 15:59
在泥潭里滚久了，很容易看谁都像猪。
我现在已经从理想主义变成半个老油条，好么？没觉得。
规则和利益哪个 ...
随机微分算子 发表于 2018-12-9 18:13
抓人是警察动手的，警察在哪个国家，就算是三权分立的国家，也都是属于行政部门。 ...
zilewang 发表于 2018-12-9 18:28
英美法系的司法部和警察系统与政府的权限是怎么分配？
从行政上说，司法部和警察系统都属于行政序列，总 ...
zilewang 发表于 2018-12-9 18:24
不要被立场和情绪左右自己的判断。想清楚小土豆和加拿大的处境就什么都清楚了。
1，黑社会老大与老二互砍， ...
njyd 发表于 2018-12-9 19:50
此事肯定要国家层面上的批准，否则任何国家的法院都可以指令别的国家警察抓人？要抓人理由太容易找了。
另 ...
围观群众 发表于 2018-12-9 23:18
美加有司法合作协议的，美国法院发过来的要求，只要程序合法，证据成立，程序就会启动，特鲁多想制止也不 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 18:33
这个我也没仔细研究过，感觉应该和你说的差不多，虽然名义上归行政序列，但一定程度上又算是司法序列 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 18:33
这个我也没仔细研究过，感觉应该和你说的差不多，虽然名义上归行政序列，但一定程度上又算是司法序列 ...
围观群众 发表于 2018-12-9 23:18
美加有司法合作协议的，美国法院发过来的要求，只要程序合法，证据成立，程序就会启动，特鲁多想制止也不 ...
njyd 发表于 2018-12-10 00:26
没有哪个国家会把自己的警察完全交给外国去指挥，有司法合作协议也得经过当事国司法部门的批准指令警察。 ...
无言 发表于 2018-12-10 00:14
三权分立，司法部和警察属于执法，法院/法官属司法，各级议会是立法。
@zilewang ...
阳春白雪 发表于 2018-12-9 13:53
虽然加拿大一直强调司法独立，不过这事是彻头彻尾的政治事件，法官难道都是活在真空里的？ ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 14:17
从制度上来说当然应该保持司法的真正独立。
从利益上来说，影响司法独立和开罪中国这两个选择里面，哪一 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-10 05:34
这个知道。仔细想了想，我认为司法独立更多的是指司法制度的独立，而司法系统的独立只是实现司法制度独立 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-9 13:41
有证据出处还是只是你的猜测呢？说说我看到的司法独立吧：我们村前段时间某政府高官打电话给警方过问了下 ...
小土豆 发表于 2018-12-10 08:35
特鲁多想放人根本不需要从正常途径走，找个可靠的人稍微嘀咕一声，他这个中国人民的老碰油就没跑了。
闹到 ...
sneer 发表于 2018-12-10 09:06
如果司法独立真这么深入人心的话，那个高官压根就不敢打这个电话吧？ 我怎么觉得是警方是故意打破某种潜 ...
石工 发表于 2018-12-10 09:13
问题就在这里。从前几周APEC会议闹出强闯巴新外交部的事件来看，渠道失灵是普遍情况。有两种可能：1、现 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-10 05:34
这个知道。仔细想了想，我认为司法独立更多的是指司法制度的独立，而司法系统的独立只是实现司法制度独立 ...
小米粒 发表于 2018-12-10 18:50
外交问题必需经过外交系统！
不然就是司法凌驾国与国关系！
国与国司法联系是跨司法区关系！
zilewang 发表于 2018-12-10 17:52
从新闻中看，美国的批捕令，大家拿 的逮捕行动（应该属于重大事项），都提到了总统或总理知情或者不知情 ...
肖恩 发表于 2018-12-11 17:19
是的，就我了解的情况，他们的每个职位的责任和权力应该都是规定的比较清楚的，这个事情司法部长应该是只 ...
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